tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-995840003965974663.post250188365405744104..comments2024-01-04T11:16:47.836-05:00Comments on Paul Bergrin on Trial: Velez Family InclusionVicky Gallashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00824040831924128720noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-995840003965974663.post-62898713505400362992013-04-12T01:02:20.878-04:002013-04-12T01:02:20.878-04:00First i want to say i hope and pray you had a bles...First i want to say i hope and pray you had a blessed and stress free day, i do recall the long day you referred to. But not to contradict myself. I know the judge was bias i just wanted to be fair in discussion and unlike the jurors just because you're a agent ,prosecutors, or judge doesn't mean your being truthful. They had out for mr bergrin i'll end this with one statement( ABU GAHRIB) apology if i misspelled. Good nite mrs gallasAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06789931095417056036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-995840003965974663.post-78863823714277344132013-04-11T12:07:32.983-04:002013-04-11T12:07:32.983-04:00@Aziz
Yes, most agents that testified in Volume 6...@Aziz<br /><br />Yes, most agents that testified in Volume 6 became Alzheimer's victims when Paul cross-examined each and the same with almost all government witnesses. They made it so that he had to pull out transcripts and refer to their notes and prior statements, which in turn angered the judge. If the government's witnesses had offered straight answers to Paul as each did to the AUSAs, he wouldn't have had to repeat questions and reword questions repeatedly. I think these AUSAs knew the judge would get angry when Paul kept digging for truthful responses.<br /><br />Ah, but the judge does show a bias in favor of prosecutors if you look at the big picture. This is what I meant when I said he gave Paul mini-victories throughout the trial that really did not matter in the grand scheme anyway. The government was handed a victory every time the judge admonished Paul and the jurors probably stopped listening to the cross frequently as a result. Jurors tend to believe a judge knows what he's talking about. These jurors joked and laughed with the judge and on occasion with the AUSAs. They NEVER laughed with Paul, but they did laugh at Paul's witnesses after an admonishment from the judge or an objection from an AUSA or smirks from agents in the courtroom.<br /><br />All of this is why I had to get the transcripts. The one person that refused to give them to me (my post about secrecy) claimed that they revealed nothing anyway. BS! I think they reveal quite a lot.Vicky Gallashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00824040831924128720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-995840003965974663.post-28915574457643857512013-04-11T11:19:34.659-04:002013-04-11T11:19:34.659-04:00@Aziz
No apology necessary - I have a long day to...@Aziz<br /><br />No apology necessary - I have a long day today, so I know the feeling.<br /><br />Mr. Lustberg addresses that problem in the beginning of Volume 7. I see it as a two-part problem... <br /><br />1. The government witnesses have been coached to respond a certain way and Paul has no choice except to be repetitive and reword every question 10+ times to get to the truth of the issue he is questioning the witness on.<br /><br />2. The judge is in a major hurry. He wanted this trial over in a month in my opinion. The trial should have naturally continued for at least 3 months. This sort of rush is unheard of when considering the number of counts and the number of witnesses. <br /><br />So I understand that the judge is the mediator / referee, but he spends more time telling Paul to hurry-up than Paul would need if the witnesses were being forthright to begin with. The witnesses are forcing Paul to either dig for the truth or give-up.<br /><br />I view it as the judge giving Paul Bergrin mini-victories with his rulings throughout the trial on issues that really do not matter much in the big picture anyway, but with anything that actually matters, he sides with prosecutors. Both Paul and the prosecutors spend far too much time thanking him for nothing much.<br /><br />So why was this judge in such a hurry that he could not even wait for US Marshal Service to bring-in Paul's other witnesses?<br /><br />Paul disputed the government's allegations in every situation. It's just that by the time he was able to reveal the truth, he was being admonished repeatedly on every issue. Perhaps all the jurors remembered was the judge admonishing Paul and they were not clear on the serious points that Paul's cross-examinations of government witnesses revealed. <br /><br />As only one example - the stated update in this post on Carolyn Velez's testimony. She claims to have lied during her father's trial and she claims to have told the truth in the video for prosecutors shortly after that trial. Paul revealed that she stated on the video that he NEVER instructed her to lie or coerced her in ANY way. Her testimony in this trial is that this was not true. So was she lying in the video or telling the truth??? Can't be both ways, especially when she is claiming to remember all of this at age 21, 11 years later. Vicky Gallashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00824040831924128720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-995840003965974663.post-15583572218842043052013-04-11T11:12:16.787-04:002013-04-11T11:12:16.787-04:00And lets not forget the testimony of the agent she...And lets not forget the testimony of the agent she had two part answers for one question as a matter of fact it was just a yes or no question and had a perfect memory when prosecutors ask questions. But when it came to direct i don't remember or i got to look at my notes mr bergrin faces the rest of his life in prison and the way the judge handle the case not that he was bias or anything but i doubt if he's going to rule in favor of mr bergrin.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06789931095417056036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-995840003965974663.post-40095404020120505272013-04-11T10:53:37.127-04:002013-04-11T10:53:37.127-04:00Sorry vicky for not responding to your post sooner...Sorry vicky for not responding to your post sooner but i had a long day at work, and i see that behavior all through out the transcripts mr bergrin not being allowed to present his case he cut through a lot of material. And if im not mistaken the government got eight weeks to present their case paul one week???Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06789931095417056036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-995840003965974663.post-68945124824102025472013-04-10T22:53:12.103-04:002013-04-10T22:53:12.103-04:00Does the presiding Judge make his decision on the ...Does the presiding Judge make his decision on the Rule 29 decision or is it the appellate court? Can we dive into this? I hope the judge is smarter than the jury if he makes this decision.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-995840003965974663.post-66964281865682436282013-04-10T16:35:21.930-04:002013-04-10T16:35:21.930-04:00@Aziz
I just updated this post. Sometimes it is i...@Aziz<br /><br />I just updated this post. Sometimes it is information overload when I read these transcripts and the fact is that it took Paul a crazy amount of time to drag the truth out of Carolyn Velez and then there are the constant reprimands from Judge Cavanaugh that he is taking too much time - it's headache material for sure.<br /><br />I can only imagine Paul trying to get to the truth and constantly being told to hurry up while the witness weasels through more of her lies, denies, and obstructs the truth on behalf of prosecutors that feed each answers via specially worded objections. This is happening with every flippin' witness - WTF!Vicky Gallashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00824040831924128720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-995840003965974663.post-52663819695242521732013-04-10T12:25:00.432-04:002013-04-10T12:25:00.432-04:00Vicky & others,
The link attached was just po...Vicky & others,<br /><br />The link attached was just posted on NJ.COM yestereday<br /><br />http://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf/2013/04/little_ferry_woman_facing_up_to_five_years_for_disclosing_work_as_homeland_security_informant_1.html#incart_river<br /><br />This woman acting as an informant basically violated her rules as an informant for the FBI and is now facing 5 years in prison.<br /><br />Now lets compare this to Oscar who violated the informant system continuously but was still kept.<br />Some serious ethic violations from the AUSA, DEA & FBI.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-995840003965974663.post-792667466014226212013-04-10T05:39:55.628-04:002013-04-10T05:39:55.628-04:00I know for a fact that the conviction rate out her...I know for a fact that the conviction rate out here is 99.9 in the federal system with that rate not even mr bergrin with his skills would overcome this difficulty, and they (AUSA)did not win this case fair and square for a better choice of words.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18400288213954693929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-995840003965974663.post-50563749329711217722013-04-10T01:23:10.349-04:002013-04-10T01:23:10.349-04:00@Craig in Florida
I admit to little knowledge on ...@Craig in Florida<br /><br />I admit to little knowledge on the appeals process. As far as I am aware, the judge could still dismiss the count relating to this mini-drama though, and any other count for that matter. Not enough evidence for a conviction. And then if the judge let's it fly, the appeals court could overturn it or send it back to the court for retrial.<br /><br />The verdicts were never filed in this case. No document has been filed since the Order to send Bergrin back to MDC Brooklyn. Not sure of the significance of this, except that I have never come across a case that it happened in research, but then most cases I have researched were guilty pleas.<br /><br />In the Middle District of Florida, trial verdicts are filed quickly. Perhaps this is normal for NJ?<br /><br />There was no valid reasoning for this jury to convict Paul on most counts charged anyway, but yes, I do agree that if a defendant is going to step out on a limb and demand a trial, they should testify in their own defense. However, most defense attorneys disagree with me on that... more evidence that you are/were a prosecutor.<br /><br />I testified in my defense at my own trial. Few people go to trial these days and the last one I dealt with was Jeane Palfrey. The last time we met was in December 2007, almost 4 months before her April 2008 trial, and she believed there was a deal in the works that would return most of her money to her and include a minor sentence. When I contacted her after I found out there really was going to be a trial, that was a main point that I made... must testify for yourself. Of course we all know now that she did not testify and her attorney's idea of a defense was to state that the government did not prove their case; no kidding.<br /><br />One of the first things I said to Paul more than 2 years ago was that he had to testify in his defense. I think he must have viewed this case more from a defense attorney perspective than a defendant view. Defense attorneys are usually against clients testifying in defense; mine was not - he knew I intended to anyway.<br /><br />Why does anyone take a case to trial and skip testifying in their own defense? No clue.Vicky Gallashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00824040831924128720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-995840003965974663.post-16880222383373185912013-04-10T00:51:51.174-04:002013-04-10T00:51:51.174-04:00That last sentence is supposed to start with an &q...That last sentence is supposed to start with an "S" for She.Vicky Gallashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00824040831924128720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-995840003965974663.post-49278769284575749852013-04-10T00:50:43.170-04:002013-04-10T00:50:43.170-04:00@Aziz
You are correct of course. No proof except ...@Aziz<br /><br />You are correct of course. No proof except the word of a 21 year-old that she recalled these specific words and events from when she was 9 years old. No corroboration from her psychiatrist or a hypnotherapist and as none were ever mentioned, we could assume that she never saw either. And then there was the restraining order and supervised visitation in place after the stabbing incident, so how many times could she have been alone with her father and Bergrin?<br /><br />he should at least have seen a hypnotherapist way back then and more recently.<br /><br />Vicky Gallashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00824040831924128720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-995840003965974663.post-43480553907292237332013-04-09T21:44:08.879-04:002013-04-09T21:44:08.879-04:00Im afraid out here if it happened with mr bergrin ...Im afraid out here if it happened with mr bergrin there's no telling what will happen with the community.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18400288213954693929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-995840003965974663.post-70513783082883517772013-04-09T21:33:09.415-04:002013-04-09T21:33:09.415-04:00The bad part about the whole scenario would be the...The bad part about the whole scenario would be their is no proof what's so ever that mr bergrin committed these acts and you talk about fair trial whatever.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18400288213954693929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-995840003965974663.post-64173217005355664732013-04-09T17:54:26.615-04:002013-04-09T17:54:26.615-04:00The Velez mini-drama is not a ground for reversal....The Velez mini-drama is not a ground for reversal. <br /><br />Paul should have taken the stand and rebut, through sworn testimony and documents from his legal files, each and every allegation against him. Had Paul proved credible on the stand, and withstood cross-examination, he might have won. The government could not have even impeached Bergrin with his misdemeanor conviction. <br /><br />Direct confrontation between prosecutor and Defendant would have given Paul a chance for acquittal or hung jury. Paul argued in closing that he meant no harm, but arguments are not evidence. <br /><br />Paul argued reasonable doubt in his closing. An argument of innocence would have been better. <br /> Craig in Floridanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-995840003965974663.post-79692484238549167212013-04-09T17:19:31.923-04:002013-04-09T17:19:31.923-04:00@Aziz
Yes, I read the nickname repeatedly in the ...@Aziz<br /><br />Yes, I read the nickname repeatedly in the transcripts - stated by the AUSA of course. Talk about sensationalist garbage! Well, we all know where the newspapers got the "stabbed 28 times" BS. <br /><br />No telling what really happened in the car, but Paul Bergrin is a teddybear and sure would never intimidate a little girl. That jury verdict was not based on the testimony of a 9 year-old that did not witness the incident anyway. <br /><br />The bottom line is that a 9 year-old is not going to recall statements and events 10-11 years later so explicitly. She was told what she remembered, no doubt. And then why wouldn't prosecutors have pursued Paul legally - at least with the NJ Bar - back in 2001? <br /><br />Yes, I also caught the part in Norberto Velez's testimony wherein he stated that he was intimidated by the FBI agents that came to discuss Paul.<br /><br />This stuff had no place in any indictment.Vicky Gallashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00824040831924128720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-995840003965974663.post-67446944121915850312013-04-09T14:54:53.125-04:002013-04-09T14:54:53.125-04:00And i do apologize to mrs marilu for not invoking ...And i do apologize to mrs marilu for not invoking sympathy in my last post.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11690357792649763037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-995840003965974663.post-20373370935671188152013-04-09T14:18:52.756-04:002013-04-09T14:18:52.756-04:00If all this brainwashing crap is true why come for...If all this brainwashing crap is true why come forth now? I mean this did happen allegedly when she was nine and all these years later she has the perfect story didn't forget anything. And they even had a nick name for mr Velez (JASON) ask your contacts i was there for that one how unprofessional.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11690357792649763037noreply@blogger.com